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SO CLEM'S JUDGEMENT OF MOB went through a couple of phases? Which I think is true of her judgement of like - anyone. Because when she first arrived she was just in fight-mode, and I think Clementine can be very judgmental of people who... Don't seem suited to her world? And since, on arrival, the whole concept of other worlds was so fucking bizarre to her, it like... Took her some time to stop judging people on an unfair scale.

I talked a little on plurk about how Clem is a very sincere person and also a big liar all the time... So even when she IS judging people, she'll still always want to look out for them. So I think in the beginning Mob just seemed to her like. An ordinary kid! He was chill, but probably not suited to the stuff she's used to. (And then a little while later she developed the understanding that: Well, why would he be?) But that's the primary reason he was Babyzoned in her mind. Most people she knows are Tough Hardened Survival types who carry around knives or baseball bats and are. Mean. And the only exceptions to that are like - nice little boys.

Anyway she thought he was a sweet kid that she would like to look out for, even if she also felt like she had no idea how to actually talk to him. Then she saw his memory of the psychic powers and it was very... Uh, unifying and ALSO polarizing at the same time? I don't think those are the best words. But seeing that he is much more than she had assumed was jarring because she was like. Oh! I don't know shit about this kid actually! And not only that, but the thing I just learned about him is the one thing I've been internally going "???????? 😒" at all game! (Magic. Psychic powers... They're the same to her...) BUT ALSO he was rescuing his brother, and that hits on her own experiences at having had to go rescue AJ, so she was half "haha what the fuck now i extra don't know how to talk to you" but also half "well at least that's kind of relatable"?

And then he was on Team Rabbit and that got kind of the same reaction as all of them did where she was just. Overwhelmed by how her whole team was all these nice people that she Liked whether she knew them well or not and was like. Ready to die for them or kill for them. And all of the rabbits, like... Did what she asked. They trusted her? She had a group of her own that just LET her make decisions for them, without an explanation? And she was just getting used to her role meetings having that kind of sway and power to change things for the better and. Then Mob died unexpectedly. And she was just like. Oh right! Oh right, things are terrible! My mistake for forgetting! And that kickstarted her depresso that spanned the next week because of A Lot Of Stress Factors.

But she was just too hyper-focused on trying to manipulate the rest of how things played out to even linger on it that long and she's very used to having to move on and keep herself focused when people she likes die.

so she just. focused on other stuff and later got to be relieved he was okay. thank god.

As with anyone who even remotely gets along with Clem or that she trusts (and she does trust Mob), I imagine that post-game she just. Shows up sometimes to enjoy Civilization. But she has no money. She probably makes Mob buy her fast food. It's very rude.

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ALEX!!!!!!!!

Clem generally liked Alex right off the bat. She seemed nice! She fed Clem! Which, on arrival, was one of the easiest ways to get her favor. And Clem is... Predictably apprehensive of being babied by adults, which she never really felt like Alex was doing. But she also didn't necessarily think of it in terms of, like, "wow alex treats me like an equal." It was just like - with Alex she never felt like she had to think about it at all, one way or the other. From that side.

Clementine is also... super fucking defensive. She questions herself, and if she opens up that door, other people might, might be allowed to help her work through stuff. But a lot of the time, EVEN IF it's something she IS unsure of, if someone questions her judgement she'll go into fight mode from zero to a hundred in two seconds. So it was... Nice to pretty consistently have Alex's approval. From things like... Being AJ's mom, an experience they kind of shared even though Clem is aware that things must be very VERY different for them... To things like Team Rabbit Murder Plans. Alex always seemed to approve of Clementine and believed that she was doing her best. I think that despite her whole Feral Apocalypse Child Don't Need No Adults thing, Clem is still subconsciously very desperate for approval from adults because she lacks stability in her life. That's why she gets so mad when she doesn't have it, and why before she does something big she has Dramatic Emotional Dreams About Her Father Figure Telling Her He's Proud Of Her lsngfghdfhdffgdggfd. So while Clem never thought much about whether Alex saw her as a child or not, she saw Alex as an adult, AND had Alex's constant approval? And that was very meaningful to her.

And then obligatory: Clementine would fucking die or kill for anyone on team rabbit. Having their trust meant everything to her, and she was devastated by what she had to do to her own group. She also felt particularly vulnerable to Alex, because Alex saw her wake up from one of her nightmares and that made her feel Weird and Bad, but - because Alex was Alex, it was fine.

She wouldn't have thought anything of it if Alex was super passive and didn't do anything to try to help, honestly? Because she already liked her so much. But she could tell Alex was being very proactive.

Even if. Alex's contact was Sora, who Clem always had the latest information from because of ?relationship? and role status. So a lot of times Alex would talk to Sora, then Clem and Sora and the other roles would talk, and then Rabbits would have meeting and all of Alex's info was a couple hours out of date. WHICH SUPER WASN'T ALEX'S FAULT and Clem was still very moved that she was working so hard!!!!! She would have thought it was extremely funny if it weren't happening when Clementine was at Maximum Stress Levels.

I think that out of Clem's ENTIRE CR, Alex would probably have been the only person Clem would have felt comfortable talking to about her whole ?thing? with Sora. Which is a lot from Clem, who is shy and bad with people and does not like to be vulnerable. Like, they didn't talk about it? But she feels like they could have, and I think that's meaningful. Or I guess just, like... Typical teenager stuff. If Clem had any other typical teenager non-murder related worries, I feel like Alex is who she would have turned to.

She didn't. Murder is her whole life. BUT IF IT WASN'T!!!!!

YES PLZ

Horse dad........... Just kidding, she didn't see him as a father figure even a little bit. LOL

Well. She saw him as a father to someone else? And that was one of their biggest things was that - he knew about AJ! She didn't necessarily keep AJ a secret, though she may have chosen moments to not mention him to certain people, especially early on... But there were still plenty of people who never found out about AJ. So it was meaningful to Clem that Chiron knew! And that he respected her as a mom! Because Clementine is AJ's mom and whenever people act like she's his big sister she just dies a little bit inside!

And I mentioned this for Alex's tl;cr but - Clem has. Difficult feelings about adults? She doesn't want to be babied, but also wants adult approval. So him seeming to recognize her as AJ's mom felt nice and made her approval of him go super up. I think Clem was more conscious of Chiron being an adult vs her being a child compared to, like, Alex? But I also think she just kind of went. "Well, he's a centaur or whatever, so I do not even take offence really." CLEM NEVER LEARNED LIKE ANYTHING ABOUT CHIRON SO HE WAS JUST. Mythical creature! Okay!!!!

But he was nice and she enjoyed talking to him. He seemed to her like he had a weird mix of being honest and closed off at the same time. Like he would tell his honest thoughts, but maybe not get into the details or explanations that much. Was how she felt? And she wasn't really sure how to bridge that gap, but she did like him very much!

She got a clue from Rabbit that a teammate was "someone very tall" so she was like. THE HORSE??????? And then they had that convo where she like. sused out that he was team rabbit... And then she lied and said she wasn't. At that point Clementine was genuinely not planning to really tell people her team, even if she found teammates. She wasn't that interested in team meetings because she has Group Anxiety. She was only trying to find people to figure things out because of her detective role and MY SPREADSHEET etc.

But then. She told Zuko her role because he's. Fine. And then he introduced her to Hilda who already knew so many Rabbits and. Clem is a weak bitch and a liar so she was immediately like WOW FRIENDS, and told Hilda about Chiron. I still really love the first Rabbit meeting she went to where she's just like. Looks away fastly from Chiron because she lied.

But he wasn't even mad... And, yeah. Having Team Rabbit Meetings made it very clear how fucking fake Clementine is about her NO GROUPS posturing. Because she was immediately ride or die for these fuckers, regardless of how close they actually were. ESPECIALLY BECAUSE she came to the group and just started bossing them around without explanation. And she doesn't know nothing about nothing, but she could TELL from Chiron's reaction that he was not thrilled about "wveryone vote for Jeanne, no questions no answers." But he... Did it anyway! He trusted her! They all trusted her!! Rabbits!!!!! HER GROUP!!!!!!!!!!!!! And then Jeanne fucking made the whole scheme pointless by making herself a very very clear target, so Clem understands that it's not like they had to do as much scheming as they'd thought they might... But she still saw that willingness? And so even though it wasn't really by her hand so much because of Jeanne being Jeanne, she DID still feel a lot of pride over Jeanne being protected successfully - largely because of how Chiron had responded to the idea of voting for her.

And then. She had to take volunteers. And she'd seen him and how people reacted to him trying to take the hit for Emet in a previous trial so she was just. WOW HATE THIS A LOT, but also they needed sacrifices and Rabbits team really was the best place to get them from. She felt like she was selling out her group!! But the Roles were also her group? And pessimistic tough-talk aside, she DOES always want the best possible outcome for all parties, and that's. what this would be for?

She initially wanted her team to have Ochako killed and then frame Chiron with a CYOA item that can turn the wearer into an animal. But it was because she knew that two other people had that item and would be able to really fucking easily trace it back to her, and felt confident they'd do that. So she wanted to scapegoat herself to protect Chiron. But that got vetoed, no one would let her. And then like I've said in chat I literally didn't think of it until later but I fucking WISH I'd put in a counter proposal to have Clem die instead of Chiron or Ochako because she was just so fucking devastated at FINDING HER GROUP and they TRUSTED HER and then she had to let two of them die.

Then she was just so focused on continuing to try and get everything to work out how they wanted that she wasn't able to linger on his death. She was just very aggressively not thinking about it because she had STUFF TO DO. But now he's back!!! And has? People legs?

It's fine

yeee

they didn't talk much, so Clem's impression of Usagi is mostly their mini-cyoa together and seeing Usagi sleep through trials.

She really never got Usagi lore... She got a tiny tiny bit injury week, but I was dead in real life, and it was just not enough for Clementine to draw ACCURATE CONCLUSIONS from. Forgive her...

Basically: Once Clem wrapped her head around "oh everyone is from different worlds" then she was a lot less judgmental of people who seemed... Less equipped for the situation? So that's where she pretty much rested with Usagi. Usagi seemed like a cute, ordinary girl, and Clem could understand why she would just want to sleep through trials and why she would just scream and cry when things happened. Because, like. Valid?

They weren't close, but as per Clementine being a liar who says she's pragmatic and doesn't care about anyone, she would definitely try hard to protect Usagi however she could if the situation arose again.

AND THEN THE USAGI LORE SHE GOT WAS THAT SHE'D BEEN STABBED COMMITING SUICIDE TO BE WITH HER LOVER AND CLEM WAS JUST LIKE "..... Ah............ ok........" Sounds very sad! Can't relate! Can't really make sense of the scenario! But there's clearly a lot more to Usagi than she got to know - like she definitely thinks Usagi has a hidden side that's more than Clem ever saw. Not in a distrusting way, just in a "Clem perpetually underestimated people and later was like o: about it" way.

SLAPS HANDS. OUR CR.

IZUMO!!!!!!!!

Basically... Clementine really liked Izumo! More... Than she even realized. LMFDGDFG. From the get-go, Clementine arrived feeling very combative and prickly about the whole situation, and instead of trying to like. give peptalks or make her stop and see the bright side, Izumo was just right there with her like. YEAH. FUCK THIS PLACE. WHAT THE HELL. Which was very refreshing! They were able to just be very frank with each other... Was how it felt at first?

Clem still felt like most things she could be honest with Izumo about. Like, Izumo felt like a generally safe place to complain! And trustworthy! But then there were... A couple things. Like Kano, for one? Clem didn't even learn/figure out he was cursed until way later, and even then her reaction was like. She considered sending him a message but it would have just said "sorry for not realizing you were cursed to be a dick. it was because you were already a dick," so she didn't bother. BUT SHE JUST DIDN'T have a good impression of him. And so having Izumo, the person she was like "ah yes, we see eye to eye" be way more affected by a thing than her was jarring? And she didn't want to fight about it because - again, she liked Izumo.

And that kind of continued to be their dynamic, where Clementine... Came into things like "ah yes, we will see eye to eye" and then they constantly didn't? And instead of being normal and just, like, talking about it with Izumo, which probably would have went over just fine?? Clem instead was like "BETTER DROP THIS, THEN" because she didn't want Izumo to turn on her.

She's not used to tsunderes of the brand Izumo is. She's used to people taking time to warm up to her or being cautious and distrusting at first... But she's just... Never really encountered a tsundere who behaves like Izumo does. So she didn't know how to handle it.

In other words, Clementine had tiny crush on Izumo without realizing it, and because of that crush, any time she sensed conflict between them, she would like. Try to skim past it because she found Izumo so much more unpredictable than the people she's used to dealing with. Any conflicts probably would have been fine? But she never wanted to upset Izumo or risk getting some wild reaction that would feel out of nowhere to her, so she would skirt away from anything that she thought might cause that. At... The detriment of their actual bonding. She was always worried that if she said the wrong thing or dissed the wrong person Izumo would just turn on her. And she was afraid of that, so she super over-corrected and closed off a lot of avenues of conversation and bonding...

But despite that, they were friends, and Clem believed that. She got that Izumo was shy, at least, and so she was willing to be just a little bit more pushy to at least - hopefully - make it clear to Izumo that she cared.

save clem...

So Ochako!! Was a nice girl!

Clem is really not used to being around people, let alone people around her own age-group! And I think that she really EXPECTS people to just be assholes at first, or defensive, or Various Other Apocalypse Appropriate Behaviors. So while she's a very sincere kid herself - in some ways - and is relieved when other people are too... It also kind of throws her off? She is way more used to Conflict > then Sincerity, mutual apologies > then Kindness. Like, that's just the path that almost all her relationships have taken for YEARS - good people still know to be afraid, and it's easy move past it because she understands why. SO Ochako was another person where she was just like huh???? I got to skip the first step?????????

They just like. Chatted about where she was from and her school and stuff. And unlike with Mob, for example, Ochako was just like "oh yeah I have powers, that's normal and also I'm gonna be a super hero, which is also normal," so Clem felt like, as weird as all of that sounded to her, at least she thought she had a clear picture? Which was very nice! And she liked comic books when she was a kid, so it was honestly kind of cool to think about...?

Nothing too deep, she just thought Ochako was Neat, basically. And then, as per all of Team Rabbit, once she saw them collectively she was like This Is My Group I Will Die For Them And Kill For Them. It meant a lot to her that the whole group was just - people she generally liked. HONESTLY I THINK THAT the fact that she had the same kind of surface-level fondness for each of them without being like super close to ANY of them helped? in its own way? Because it meant she didn't have a FAVORITE within Team Rabbit. They were all just Team Rabbit, her group that she loved. And they did what she asked and trusted her and covered for her (even if Jeanne did make it super easy to begin with) I feel like I'm repeating myself a lot with rabbits but STILL.

Clem went into Depresso Spiral when Mob died, and when she had to turn around and tell her group who had trusted her and done what she asked to like. Pick who'll die. And honestly, like, Chiron volunteering. Okay. Sure. Okay. He's a probably ancient mythological horse he doesn't remember anything, he's at least an adult. But it being another KID that stepped up made her really sad, and between the two of them if I HAD thought to put in a counter-proposal to have Clem die instead, she probably would have tried to take Ochako's place.

But instead she didn't and instead just hyper-focused on making sure everything was taken care of so that the dead could come back. Which is the only reason she accepted ANY sacrifice of rabbits to begin with... She wanted to save everyone, but she was real fucking close to just telling the other Roles NO, YOU CAN'T KILL RABBITS I DON'T CARE IF WE'RE ALMOST ALL ALIVE.

(Also she thought it was really cool that Ochako had the power to float a fucking ferris wheel, jesus)

And she's extremely grateful for Ochako's wish. She knows it benefits Ochako too, so it's not entirely selfless, but it's still such a kind thing that helps all of them and like.............. Clem kind of figured that all of their worlds are SO separate that they can't really reach each other. Like even world-hoppers like Lup and Clem, she was just like. Okay but that probably doesn't reach EVERYWHERE, that sounds ridiculous.

But Ochako's wish made her actually like ".... Oh. Maybe I WILL actually see these people again."

I think ultimately she wants to stay in her own world... But I'm certain she visits people to get new clothes and supplies and food and Maybe Take A Hot Bath Sometimes Okay. And Ochako is definitely on the list of people she trusts to visit and help her out even though she has no money and nothing to offer and is just straight up being a mooch.

uwu

Her first roomie!! He holds a special place in her heart just for that.

Clementine likes sincere people, first and foremost. And Alphinaud struck her as someone very sincere. Like with Ochako - I feel like each of these tl;crs I wind up somehow referencing the most recent one I wrote, but anyway - she was very ??? that she got to skip the first step of most interactions she has with people back home. Which is the suspicions and skepticism phase, before sincerity. Instead they just talked, like, right off the bat?

She genuinely was so fascinated by like... Elves... And Centaurs... Probably more than she was by the concept of magic. Magic just made her mad a lot. But non-humans?? Cool??? And she also thought it was very endearing that Alphinaud was such a Fancy Boy lmfdgfhgfhf.

They never had a particularly deep friendship, but she did enjoy talking to him and teasing him a little, and she appreciated that when he had an idea or when he wanted something, he'd just come to her and say so. Sincerity = important. I think if she hadn't had a role, she would have shared a lot more of whatever information she had with him... But because she had a role, she was way more secretive about shit, especially as she wedged herself into the role group and her team.

Clem was really comfy with their surface level convos that sometimes veered into "can you do this for me/here's what i think is a good idea/do you have some plot info i'm after" etc. She never felt like "oh no he wants more than I want to tell him," despite being secretive. I wonder what the best way to explain it is... Maybe like... The kind of friend that you run into and enjoy chatting with for like 30 straight minutes that you didn't have to spare because you were in the middle of something, and then both of you are like "wow we should hang out for real," and then you never do, but neither of you is upset about it??? That's very specific, but that's. How Alphi was for her. Which also meant that while they didn't get into things too deeply, she was more willing to have surface-level conversations about the stuff she would SHUT DOWN with other people. Like talking about maybe going to his world. She wasn't going to and wasn't REALLY considering it... But with other people she would be like NOPE, AND LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT IT, but with alphinaud she was like "haha maybe!" and entertained the idea for the sake of conversation...

Also she had a little crush on his gf but didn't really realize? that? so she was just happy that she found someone since she could tell that Izumo was super shy and lonely. It was sweet... She was very happy for them.

Even if she was also like. why are people dating. in a place we're trying to escape. what is the fucking point. ANYWAY IT'S FINE.

ange ruined everything but pls give me your tl;cr anyway

ANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think Ange was basically someone Clem babyzoned immediately. Like Mob, it was very little to do with age and everything to do with personality. Or, uh. PERCIEVED PERSONALITY lmfao. I think probably the persistence of "ANGE/CLEM REAL" in chat made us both go HAHA [ sweats ] in the same way but for very different reasons. For me it was because Clem really did not have dokis for Ange at all... She just liked her a lot, platonically. She was babyzoned. Clem likes goofy boys and tough girls - and in general: people who can take care of themselves. She didn't realize Ange was someone like that until too late for it to be Anything LOL.

Clementine learned quick that she couldn't judge people based on the scale of her own world, since other people were from different situations so... Why would they know how to handle her shit and be as hardened as she is? So she just thought Ange was sweet. And she probably wouldn't have thought much of her, because while Ange (seemed to Clem) like a sincere person, and Clem values that sincerity - she doesn't quite know how to get along with soft nice girls. Except for that they had that weekly effect drawing them to each other, so... She spent time with her, anyway! And it was really NICE!! Ange was just so!! Nice!!!! Clem couldn't wrap her head around it. She'd had a couple 'nice' people that she'd chatted with already, like Ochako and Mob and Alphinaud, but Ange was just on a whole other level of being so eager to comfort her and reassure her.

Which probably should have been a red flag, for how much it stood out to Clem? But she just went "WOW pretty fucked up of this place to bring Ange here." And she also never knew anything about murders because she didn't. Really try that hard to solve them because it wasn't her friends dying - and by the time it was, she was already in with the roles and teams and kind of helping to orchestrate things to begin with.

I've mentioned this a lot, but Clem's relationships back home almost ALL go from Step 1) Be hostile, size each other up, threaten each other, tough talk etc... To Step 2) Apologize, be sincere. And then like immediately to Step 3) Die/Kill For Each Other After That One Honest Conversation. With most people here being genuinely nice and honest, Clem just skipped step 1. Which was weird, but alright. And she assumed that was the case with Ange, too.

She didn't really have anything (again, as far as she knew) in common with Ange, but Ange knew about AJ, and was sweet, and so Clem had a big soft spot for her and wanted to protect her and do things to make her happy! This also meant keeping her far the fuck away from any information Clem had and any role stuff. But like - she was trying to cheer Sora up by kind of joking about who to use romance RSVPs on, and when Ange came up they were both just like "Well it would have to be someone REALLY GOOD because Ange deserves ONLY THE BEST"

The week Jeanne was protected was a week that Clem started with like... A huge up-swing about having the role group to orchestrate with, and having all the Rabbits listen to her about who to vote for. and there was sad stuff to kick off the down-swing, but also they DID SAVE JEANNE, and she was like. THAT'S what I'm holding onto. We protected who we tried to protect and we're making progress and I'm not totally helpless! But then immediately was: but now I have to sacrifice my friends and let some Rabbits die. And she was just like. Holding on very dearly to: OKAY, but only the people who splinter and the people who volunteered are going to die. We're going to protect as many people as we can. We're going to save someone again this week.

And then? Ange killed Dorothy, who they had protected???? And Clem was like I see. Time to perish. She was so. Fucked up over that. Her next couple pcs were just her like. laying face down on a bed continuously groaning. And HONESTLY I THINK she was so stressed about sacrificing Rabbits and Dorothy dying despite her being protected being like Her One Hope Spot That Week that she just fucking. Barely even registered the shift in Ange. She couldn't even ruminate on it. She was just like "Oh, okay. Fuck me, I guess!!!"

Because while Clem's relationships go from that 1st stage of lying into sincerity and then right into pure trust as if the initial hostility and deception had never happened... She's used to those stages happening MUCH FASTER. Clem is absolutely used to people lying to her, even attacking her first thing, and almost immediately forgiving and forgetting. But it's usually like. A couple days tops. This was WEEKS of being lied to. And she GETS it? She doesn't think "Oh, Ange is terrible, what a horrible person, she should have told me the truth." She just doesn't have any interest in getting to know the real Ange yet because she had too much else going on to focus on, and enough other good friendships that it just wasn't a priority to her.

At the time of the reveal, she just felt... Done. Like, oh. Okay. Well now I know, goodbye forever. No hard feelings but also No Feelings At All, Goodbye.

I do think that in time she would probably warm up to getting to know the real Ange, and with more distance from all the Stress she was under, she's definitely disappointed that she wasted her time getting to Not Even Know someone and caring about a fake personality. Right now, you know, it's like a lie has been 90% of their time together. But if they spent more time together and that percentage decreased, I think she would eventually let it go. She doesn't hold grudges quite like that. But I don't think she would be the one to reach out, either.