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GOD I AM SO CURIOUS NOW

cracks knuckles OKAY.

Let's start from the top and work out way through it. Ange initially started sucking up to Chiron with her fake persona because she thought a centaur would be dangerous, and because she knows enough of the mythology to know that he'd be both competent and dangerous. This is kind of a trend in Ange's early cr--her focus was on people she either thought would be easy to wrap around her finger, or people who she thought were dangerous and who she wanted on her side. So naturally he fell mostly into the latter category.

Once she caught on to him being a teacher, he was the one she played up her student persona to the most. It basically slipped out of her mentions for most everyone else, but she constantly tried to remind Chiron that she's schoolgirl aged HAHA.

That said, Chiron was hit with some of the worst memloss she saw. Which like, partially #cannotRelate because Ange was getting memories back almost faster than she could lose them between killing people and Wolf team being in first place for so many weeks. But most importantly, it made him go from potential threat to a nonconcern very quickly, which is why she stopped seeking him out so much--she thought that her work was done and he was no longer a problem, so she didn't need to keep working hard to bring him to her side.

Ultimately, she thought he was interesting, honestly. She enjoyed the fact that a lot of their talks were sincerely interesting, since her cover is so shallow as a person that she often ended up with fluff conversations that bored her. Which is her own fault, but hey. She appreciated that Chiron always had something interesting to say, and she even felt like she was learning something new from him every now and then.

Anyway! So obviously Ange was lying about almost everything, but as is Ange's way, she hides a lot of small truths within her lies. She was lying about being his friend, because she thought that that would hit him hardest right in his soft heart, but it wasn't all a lie--in the sense that she did, at least somewhat, want to shift his perception of her from student to an equal of his. She never fully committed though, since to do so would've meant dropping her cover, so in the end it was a pretty empty gesture anyway.

Honorable mention for the fact that Dorothy liked him though. For that reason, and due to his four hooves, he was never on her potential kill list.

points to eye, points to you, I want Ange's view too

points at eye, points at you in return

ANYWAY Ange and HC ended up being so interesting in such a strange way and I was not expecting it at all but I was so delighted by how it happened. Like I said briefly on discord, Ange was trying to juggle so many dangerous people by the time she got to HC that she decided that her best immediate course of action would be to just pretend to be scared of him so that he wouldn't approach her. She thought he was dangerous and perceptive, and quite frankly she just did not have time for that.

But then!! The CYOA forced them to work together, and she saw some more sides to him. What surprised her was how... well, sentimental he was about protecting them and keeping them all safe. The kindness was something she hadn't expected from him, and now I have to admit that terribly, that was when she decided that it would be worth her time to build on what that gave her and try to get him on her side. She likes to think she did a decent job of getting him to count her as one of his adoptees (thanks character development)!

That said, what really caught her interest was how he clearly did not mind her reveal at all. Rather, even beyond that, he seemed to like her just fine as the person she is, and to her, that was pretty curious. She's not used to people liking her actual self, since she never really shows that actual self to people, so in truth, it made her even more curious about the sort of person he is.

So ultimately, her view on him is this: she does think that her approach was correct because she does think he's both competent and dangerous, so she doesn't regret not trying to get to know him better, but she does think it would have been interesting to get to know him better and meant that sincerely. She thinks that they probably would've been able to come to some sort of decent understanding, and honestly? Ange prefers the company of competent people, so if she had to make a list of tolerable people, he would be on it.

i want the forbidden ange lore

THE FORBIDDEN ANGE LORE.

Gosh okay, as was on Ange's CR chart, Ange actually pinned Bucky for being an easy scapegoat early on--a little after he had that really bad week where he didn't want anyone to touch him and fended Ange off with his shield. It was at that point that Ange thought "this man will be very easily thrown under the bus the minute everyone fails to solve a murder, because people don't know how to cope with that sort of person". And considering they nearly failed to solve the very first tutorial murder, Ange did not have high hopes for this group to solve anything.

Anyway, that isn't to say that Ange disliked him! Rather, she saw a certain likeness in him that was familiar to her. He came across as a man who had seen too much and been through too much and yet still continued to persevere. Ange found a certain familiarity to it; people in their line of work tend to end up that way. But she has a rule to not get attached to people while undercover and especially not people that she thought were going to have a rough time here.

Then he was a Wolf! She didn't actually mind that either. She thought that Bucky brought good balance to the Wolves; Lup and Yona were too cheerful, Rufus was taciturn, and Bucky was a good balance. Then he was immediately scapegoated! She wasn't pleased with it, and Ange spite-voted so that she wouldn't vote for Bucky, but she didn't dare break her cover to really strongly argue against it. Besides, by this point she'd already killed two people (sweats) so she knew the Wolves would be fine. He'd come back, so she wasn't too torn up about it. She did think he received a raw deal, though, and this was the point where she really decided that she couldn't trust this group--they spent too much time moralizing, and yet were totally willing to throw Bucky to the wolves. It was something she thought about a lot from that point onwards.

Anyway, talking to Bucky was a pleasant surprise post-reveal and post-the dead coming back, honestly. That's when Ange started to think that she could have enjoyed his company properly. After all, they understood similar things, were in similar lines of work, and the only thing Bucky had to say about her entire cover was simply that she did a good job. Ange appreciates that sort of straightforward approach! But she also knows that he understands that the reason they didn't get to have more than just a few chats was because as a spy, she had to maintain her cover, and that that's enough.

So overall, in the end, she liked him much more than she expected to! But he's a like-minded soul in a group of shounens and protagonists, so they had more to click over than most. His fate is one she still thinks on as something she thinks they should have been able to prevent, and one that was brutally unfair--so in truth, she's a little glad that he was able to come back. Definitely one of the few people she'd be interested in talking to again someday.

NOT THE SPANGE

go on doxx how much ange would've shoved alex off a cliff

ALEX, SWEET ALEX.

Ange would have shoved Alex off a cliff without hesitation to go home to Princess at any point in time.

But like, that's the case for basically the entire game so don't worry, it's not indicative of how Ange feels about Alex at all. Ange actually thinks that Alex is a very good, reasonable human being. She's the sort of person who appreciates people who are straightforward and sincere, but also who have hidden depths--to her, Alex checks off all of those boxes. Her kindness Ange pegged as real, but she also wasn't fragile. She didn't fold under the circumstances, and in fact made it all the way through, under her own strength and power! That's something Ange thinks is impressive in its own way.

Ange has a bit of a clinical way of looking at the world and the people in it, especially when she's under cover. So to Ange, she classified Alex as someone who wasn't a threat to her basically immediately, and that was all. She seemed to buy into Ange's cover, so Ange kind of left that alone as it was. Still, as time went on, she had to note how impressive Alex was. She persevered through her injuries, persevered through the situation, and persevered through so much of what happened. And even beyond that, Alex was the sort of person who did so on her own strength. She didn't need to hide who she really was like Ange felt like she did.

So all of this is to say that Ange actually finds Alex to be a little impressive; she's sort of classified her in her head as "not dangerous, but with internal strength", and is content with that. While she doesn't really have any intentions of pursuing any more of a relationship than they already have as her real self, she didn't hate talking to Alex as herself either, and she truly does wish her the best in her life from here on out.

i feel fear, but me?

CLEMENTINEEEE.

Wow where to even begin with Clem. Ange initially honestly didn't have much intentions of pursuing much of a relationship with Clementine to be totally honest, and that's because Clem, when she spoke to her, was sensible, pragmatic, practical, and most importantly, a good human being, even despite everything she'd been through. To Ange, that meant she doubted Clem would be much of a threat to her and her "good girl" persona, so she thought it would be safe to leave it at that.

Then they ended up stuck together that one week, and Ange ended up spending more time with Clementine despite herself, and that's when Ange made the mistake of realizing that... she liked Clem. There's a very specific subset of people that Ange tends to like, and those people are generally very practical, don't dabble in too many frills or unnecessary things, and are, in the end... people with a heart. She's a big sucker for good people who stick to their morals no matter what, and when Clem said that the only thing Ange could do for her is not kill unless it was self-defense, that kind of solidified for her the fact that she... liked the person Clementine is. It was a sensible and fair request--Clem took into account that Ange might have to defend herself--but it was still a very selfless one.

So Ange liked her. Ange liked her a lot, and therefore even though her cover was pretty solidly established with Clementine, Ange... kept on approaching her anyway. She kept spending time with her, not for her cover but because she honestly kind of liked to. There was a part of Ange that wanted to reveal herself to Clem since probably around week 4, but she's too much of a professional to ever go through with that. Still, she thought it, which was also Ange's cue that she was getting a little too close personally.

There are a lot of reasons that Clem in particular was someone who Ange came to really appreciate, I think. Things like how their circumstances aren't that different (two girls who have been through a lot since they were children), but Clem came out of it as a much better person than Ange did, or how Clem was one of the few people during trials to approach things with sensibility. But overall, she did really like her.

It's because Ange liked Clem so much that she knew better than to expect that their relationship would be the same after she revealed herself. She wasn't necessarily upset to learn that Clem was involved in the whole Plot with Dorothy, but she was a little frustrated; if it hadn't involved Dorothy, Ange wouldn't have cared at all about it happening, but she's a selfish human being and knows she is, so her own selfish self was just frustrated: frustrated because Clementine never hid from her that she was plotting and Ange didn't pursue it because of how much she liked Clem and her own cover, and frustrated because it happened at all. But these aren't rational emotions and that's why Ange has tucked them away into a small little box which is how she deals with non-rational emotions.

That's how she dealt with Clem's reaction to her cover, as well. After all, Ange is realistic enough to know that she's basically been lying to Clem for 7 weeks and Clem doesn't know who she is at all, so she's well within her rights to not seek her out anymore. Ange isn't very good at like... her own emotions, though, which is why she never chased Clem down. After all, being realistic, Clem not holding it against her was still more than she could've expected, and she didn't want to push her luck by pursuing a new relationship. Besides, she didn't really know how to go about it, either. So that's why she kind of failed to ever try to patch things up; she doesn't know how, and to her, Clem was well within her rights to just kind of walk away, and was still probably more generous than Ange herself deserved.

So in the end, Ange still does think fondly of Clem, probably some of the most out of the people here. She meant what she said about Clementine deserving that wish more than anyone, because she believes that someone who works as hard as Clem does and still has to deal with shitty circumstances probably deserves a fairy tale wish as a bit of a hedged bet.

(Also, she is taking that teddy bear home. She's not thinking about it too hard.)

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Sweet, sweet Usagi. Poor Usagi was someone that Ange classified as basically unimportant to her grand scheme basically immediately, and through no fault of Usagi's. Ultimately, the way she pegged Usagi was: someone who was kind, klutzy, sweet and a little dim. In other words, she thought Usagi was a legitimately good person, and that meant, well... she wasn't going to be a threat no matter what, because legitimately good people don't tend to do really bad things.

Ultimately that was why she wasn't too fussed about getting into her good graces, because she didn't think Usagi was going to cause her any trouble. Ange's kind of an awful person, so that's the only thing that she really cared about--she just wanted to make sure Usagi would stay out of her way and that was all.

And she did! Really, lowkey she impressed Ange distantly--in the sense that she's legitimately amazed Usagi survived all the way through. So that ended up being her final impression: kind of amazed, but otherwise confident in her assessment that Usagi was a good person, and therefore totally irrelevant to Ange's plans.

Because Ange sucks. I'm so sorry, Usagi.

kickflips in here

what if i do one tl;cr entry per week, huh, what if I do that

ANYWAY LUP!!

Sweet, sweet Lup. Lup's CR with Ange was such a surprise to me. Like with her entries above, Ange's initial reason for seeking out Lup was very simple; she was trying to find the people she thought were competent and convince them all of her cute, clumsy, weak girl facade to get them on her side. That was goal number one, and that's the first thing Ange had in mind when she first started to seek out Lup. Pretty standard for Ange, really.

The thing is, out of everyone that Ange spent time with, Lup on her own merits kind of...changed that for her. Much to Ange's chagrin and a little bit of horror, Ange actually enjoyed spending time with Lup, even while pretending to be someone she really wasn't, and by the time she realized it, she had already started to get in way too deep. Spies are not supposed to be attached to people, especially not when they're undercover. That was pretty much the one thing she'd been trying to avoid from day one.

But really, she didn't stand a chance when it came to Lup. Lup is a bundle of traits that Ange is weak to, because what Lup has is a whole buttload of really amazing character traits that all happened to coincide with members of Ange's team back home. She's really cool and strong emotionally like Chise, she's protective and has a strong sense of her own morals like Beatrice, she's clever and wise but also kind like Princess, she's dependable and loyal like Dorothy--you get the idea. Ange never really put together the pieces of why Lup was someone who wormed her way past all of her defenses, of course; she's not very good at understanding her own feelings. But nonetheless, Lup was someone who she liked spending time with very, very much.

This is usually the point where she'd start to pull back a bit to try to save the mission, but that was immediately derailed by the fact that Lup was also a Wolf. Ange couldn't avoid her at all, and with that thin excuse now gone, all Ange could really do was keep on spending time with Lup! (Ange did not try very hard to avoid this, admittedly.)

There were a lot of things Lup did and said that constantly impressed upon Ange how good of a person Lup was--but Lup was a good person without being a stupid person, and that was just the key combination to keep Ange coming back. She was floored by just how much Lup was willing to do for her fake persona, and Lup was one of the people Ange slowly started to wish to tell the truth, even though she wasn't sure how she'd take it at all.

And... well, then the reveal happened and Lup took it fine! Honestly, Ange was probably harder on herself than Lup was on Ange. Ange thinks that the amount of time she lied to Lup's face was definitely not the basis for a relationship at all, and that she deserved to be dumped on the curb for all of her emotional manipulation. But Lup didn't do that! And she didn't do that for decent, logical reasons at that, and that was something Ange could not even begin to argue with (and didn't want to, really).

So ultimately... she's always liked Lup. She really, really likes Lup, and she's grateful that their friendship wasn't broken by Ange being a shitty, shitty person. And Lup is probably the only person she'd legitimately invite back to their world to help her and Dorothy topple capitalism, because she knows Lup's absolutely, 100% good for it. And for Ange, that means a lot, because she's a spy--she doesn't trust easily at all. But somehow Lup managed to gain that trust, and now that she has it, it's not going anywhere.

i too am curious! if there's anything

Jeanne!!

Jeanne is such a funny case re: Ange because Jeanne is someone Ange never knew what to do with! Not for a single moment did Ange know what to do with Jeanne, because Jeanne is 100% outside of Ange's understanding. Ange is a girl who had a hard past, became a spy and does shady things in an attempt to reach her selfish goals. She lives in the grey areas of morality, often towards the darker shades, and those are the people she's used to. Everyone has a motive, and everyone has a darker side, in Ange's world.

And then there's Jeanne.

Jeanne, who was always exactly what she said she'd be. Jeanne, who sincerely wanted everyone to be safe, and not once seemed to have ulterior motives. Jeanne, who confessed to her murder on her own to try to help everyone out.

Suffice to say, Ange does not understand a single thing about Jeanne. She was eternally waiting for the other shoe to drop, and when it didn't, more and more Ange didn't know what to do with her, and what she does when she doesn't know what to do with people is withdraw. That's why she didn't take Jeanne up on her offer to help teach her to fight--she was already starting to try avoiding more one-on-one time with Jeanne because Jeanne is basically a saint and Ange was not prepared for that at all. They live in different worlds that were never meant to overlap as far as Ange is concerned, because that's the only way she could make Jeanne's everything fit in with her admittedly very cynical world view.

So basically tl;dr, jeanne kind of made ange nervous so she started to avoid her because she sucks at handling Legitimately Good People.

points at severed head points at you

points at sumire's severed head in the middle of the maze--

ANYWAY GOD SWEET SUMIRE DESERVED SO MUCH BETTER but I'm so happy I finally got to hit betray on kyuu, no regrets.

Ange's opinion of Sumire is actually pretty favorable in terms of people here! Which is admittedly a low bar because Ange isn't a good person and doesn't care about most of the people here, but even so!! She was impressed by Sumire's even-keeled response to Ange saying she was going to kill her, and she knows that she owes Sumire a bit of a debt for how much she helped her cover up the murder. If she hadn't done that, she most likely would've been caught and she knows it.

So that debt was always lowkey there, and when Sumire asked her to look out for Izumo, that was why Ange agreed. It was the least she could do in return, and she legitimately did try in that CYOA. After the cyoa, she considered them even, but she tried while she was there solely because Sumire asked her to.

Anyway, Ange is really bad at feelings as Sumire noticed, so she basically fled all attempts at talking about feelings after Sumire came back, but... she's legitimately glad Sumire didn't stay dead, and she's hopeful Sumire gets to live a happier life back home.

She probably leaves Sumire on read like, 99% of the time if she sends her messages, but every now and then she responds with something short and blunt.

But hey, she responds, that's more than could be said if she received messages from the majority of the people here.

Hahahahaha.

RUFUS....!!

Rufus was hilariously a source of early frustration for Ange. He was the most cagey individual here, the one who she could tell didn't really seem to buy into her cover, and on top of all of that, she couldn't just 100% disregard him because of all people, Dorothy ended up caring about Rufus a bit.

It was a pickle, and Ange didn't know what to do about it. She kept trying, because that's what she does, but nothing ever really worked to get him to buy into it, and she knew that was because Rufus is, well. He's like her. He does his job, first and foremost, and nothing else matters compared to that. So in that sense, she understand him, and in that sense because they are so similar, nothing she was trying to do to manipulate him worked and it was incredibly frustrating. And because he was close to Dorothy, she couldn't pick him to murder--

Anyway.

Then he turned out to be a Wolf, and she could murder him even less, but she was starting to realize that so long as nobody explicitly asked about her, he wasn't about to sell her out. It was at this point that she started to consider just dropping her act around him entirely, but ultimately didn't because she was getting tired of the Game they were playing overall and just did not care about the info he surely had.

So they kind of both allowed each other to exist without demanding too much from each other for awhile, and that was plenty.

Rufus did end up being the first person Ange told about her cover. The first and only, at that, because the very next day she revealed it to everyone. She decided that a business arrangement would be beneficial to the both of them, and after what he said to Dorothy during the trial, well... it was obvious that if no one else, he at least cared a bit about Dorothy.

So in the end that was that. They were too similar of people to ever really hit it off, especially with Ange faking for so long. On top of that, when they did finally have real CR, neither of them stuck along for long in their threads, so it wasn't anything deep. In the end, they were business partners, both cared about Dorothy, and both were very to the point, and that was good enough.

Ange's final opinion of Rufus was that he was probably one of the sanest people in the entire group. He frustrated her because he was so sensible and therefore difficult to fool, and but in the end she came around to liking him because of his sensibility and because he was so easy to work with.

Ultimately: she thinks if he comes to visit Dorothy, she won't attempt to shoot him on sight.

LAUGHS LOUDLY

SOO-WON...

Lord. Okay. So initially Ange's opinion on Soo-won was very simple--she thought that he was quite clever, a charmer, charismatic and very, very, very intelligent. That meant that he was super dangerous to someone like her, who deals in constant secrets. It was a stroke of good luck that she roomed with him the first week as far as she was concerned; it meant she could show him more of her ~cutesy girl persona~, while at the same time trying to get a better read on him as a person.

For the most part, it worked out. What she learned was that he was physically not as strong as he appeared due to his mysterious illness, but also that he was mentally a lot more dangerous than she'd first pinned him as. That was when she decided that she had to possibly work harder on Soo-won than just about anyone else. She wanted him to buy her cover and accept her as someone on his side, and that was her main motivation for seeking him out again and again.

Of course, as she got to know him, she started to realize that he wasn't the sort of person who would sell her out if she did share her true self with him, and early on she did consider it. If she hadn't murdered that week when she killed Raven, she might've come clean about her fake persona, because she knew fully well that Soo-won likely had a very good information network and she'd be able to learn a lot if she did that. It would be high risk-high reward. But she did kill Raven that week, and that was when she clamped down on all of her seconds 100% more, because as she told him (truthfully, for once), the moment you let a thread on an elaborate lie loose, the chances of that lie unraveling increase exponentially. Ultimately Ange decided that keeping her cover under wraps and her lies straight was more important than gaining the information Soo-won had, and so she told him nothing.

There's another reason that she didn't come clean to him, one that she didn't tell him because she doesn't want to admit it to herself. I'm going to drag you through Princess Principal so I'm not going to delve too deeply into this, but Soo-won reminded Ange tremendously, terribly of Princess. Blond royalty who Get Shit done, blond royalty who don't judge others and who hold onto their own moral code no matter what, blond royalty who impress her with their willingness to hold the world on their shoulders and step forward with all of that weight out of their own selflessness... well, suffice to say, she hated how much Soo-won reminded her of Princess. Some of the things Soo-won said were practically word for word things Princess has told Ange. Some of the things Soo-won did were things she could've easily imagined Princess doing. And Ange loves Princess with all of her heart and soul, so the moment she realized that was happening, she backed the fuck out of the whole situation.

She couldn't risk getting in too deep with someone who could make her mask slip a little just by being himself, just because he was so like her, and that was the other reason that Ange never could tell him anything. It's because ultimately, he was dangerous to her in a different way--not because of his smarts or his charms, but because he was so like Princess, and that's Ange's ultimate weakness. She could recognize it, and that is why she knew there was never a chance she could let the walls come down and work any closer with him, as her true self. It would've been too much for her.

So in the end, she tried very hard to keep her distance as soon as she realized what was happening. In another circumstance, in another situation, she probably would've liked talking to him; if the stakes hadn't been so high and the situation so dangerous, he would've been the sort of person that she would've been amazed to meet. As it is, she's amazed to know that there's another world that has someone like Princess, and she's sure that his world is in good hands because of it.

But she for one is going to leave him behind without a word of farewell, because she doesn't like how dangerous he ended up being to her, personally.

I need to know Ange's true feelings right now. I don't expect a whole lot because we only had a little CR but...... Ange.

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